Saturday, January 5, 2008

[BDSM-LegalIssues] Re: New book -- good but disturbing

--- In BDSM-LegalIssues@yahoogroups.com, Peter Hoban <hoco@...> wrote:
>
> cadenas_sd wrote:
> > --- In BDSM-LegalIssues@yahoogroups.com, "Malcolm Weir" <malc@> wrote:
> >
> >> <snip>
> >> Read what Tatu wrote about how his clients act in practice:
no-one gets
> >> fired for being arrested, no-one fails to get hired for being
arrested,
> >> they get fired/not hired for other reasons, and good luck if you
try to
> >> prove otherwise!
> >>
> > I don't think there is much argument about that here. The question is
> > simply whether this is appropriate.
> >
> > And, by the way, the issue of trying to prove exists in every wrongful
> > termination and discrimination lawsuit.
> >
> We have recently had an election fought here in Australia on
> substantially this issue - "unfair dismissal" laws. The change of
> government puts the unions in substantial control of the legislature
and
> will result in most employers losing the right to dismiss an employee
> except in very limited circumstances and always subject to appeal.
>
> The corollary result will be that many employers will simply not
> employ. They will subcontract, and more importantly, source more from
> China and Malaysia. Union members will be the losers. Dumb!!!

It hasn't worked that way in Germany (and probably most of Europe, but
I'm only familiar with Germany). Industry has tried to make that claim
for decades, but, surprise surprise, the employment picture there is
strong. On the other hand, in the US we are losing jobs left and right
to outsourcing to China and India, and unemployment is substantially
higher than in Europe (the numbers are collected differently, so 5%
unemployment in the US translates to well over 10% elsewhere).

But enough of that - that's really too far off topic.

> The sexuality issues here are pretty small beer in this context.
> MUCH better not to get arrested. Be very polite to the nice
> policeman.

I'm not sure how you can say "sexuality issues are pretty small in
this context". People *are* getting arrested for these sexuality
issues, no matter how polite they are to the policeman.

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