[BDSM-LegalIssues] telling evil abusers from consensual practictioners ( was Re: PEOPLE!)
Thank you.
I do wish we could get more places to recognize consent. I hate being
told I'm a criminal for living my life.
I do understand why police officers have a hard time telling play from
a potential dangerous situation. The Denver Sanctuary used to have a
wonderful article on it's website explaining things from the police
officers' points of view. I'm not sure if it's still up, but it was a
very good read. Right now police do lack a real way to tell abusive
situations from consensual scenes and that is a real problem for
everyone.
It may just be me, and it's fine if it is, but I have always thought
being able to prove consent was another good reason for using a safe
word. I would think that would be a very simple way to tell; separate
the parties involved and simply ask "what was the safe word?" If the
answers match, you have proof of planning and consent.
Perhaps the idea falls apart, but at least it's a starting point.
Ms. Betty
--- In BDSM-LegalIssues@
<sassytongue@
>
> You are all entitled to your opinions...
>
> ...and logically advancing that idea - it's no wonder people think
> this list is populated with assholes!
>
> But let's review a couple of fundamental thoughts.
>
> Law, policy and politics are ALL separate things.
>
> We have an open season for politics - the two weeks preceding a
> presidential election in the US. That means we got - what - 10
> months to wait for that insanity... Please keep your politics
> confined to other lists and to your state systems (and don't get me
> wrong - we should ALL be involved in our state political systems!!)
>
> Law is related to policy is related to politics. I'm going to assume
> that everyone out there is smart - otherwise most of you wouldn't
> have the law degree in the first place. The rest of us hang around
> because we aren't too shabby in terms of brainpower..
>
> So let's keep these issues separate while acknowleding how they
> interact without going to the political hotbuttons. I know you can
> all do that.
>
> The whole issue of arrests, liability, the ability to earn a
> paycheck. It's all gray muddy turf. Insisting upon one viewpoint
> over another is somewhat pointless. What is right in the US, my not
> be in Canada; what applies in Michigan may be moot in Las Vegas.
>
> ...and all around, there appears to be plenty of holes in various
> laws.
>
> I'm advising NOW - let's not let this degenerate (further) into
> mindless personal attacks --
>
> ...because I'm going to the Ozarks on vacation next week - and I'm
> not going to be around to referee, and E is busy - so no one will be
> around to watch over approving first posts and rescuing the Japanese
> characters from the spam bin.
>
> Why not focus on something a smidge more productive like how to build
> consent as a defense for assault and/or battery. The Consent Counts
> folks are going to need that in the years ahead -- and the mind power
> here certainly should be able to come up with some tests or questions
> that can separate the evil domestic abuser from people practicing
> consentual SM.
>
> be well - and Malc - be nice!
>
> Sassy
>
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