How to fill in a student loan form: Re: [BDSM-LegalIssues] Re: Arrested, ALL charges dismissed, career ruined WAS: You did, didn't you,

Actually why not simply focus on people rights period.

If we treat rights based on financial need Ie. the cost to the
employer / cooperation is more important than the rights of the
individual then we have no rights at all and why are we even bothering
having this discussion or this list.
All I have heard in this discussion is not on my shoulders! not my
burden! not my pocket!.
Well instead of decrying how much a burden having rights are propose
solutions because quite frankly youve all failed at civil rights 101

The entire point of rights is that they are burdensome they have to be
borne by everyone across the board and NOT! nitpicked away due to
convenience and personal greed.
Speaking as an American constitution starts with "We the people" not
"we the people and small business owners and corporations" and details
our civil liberties and protections not corporate rights.

If people on this list cant get there heads around that concept then
there is absolutely no reason for this list or any type of activism
for anyone gay straight SM or otherwise.
People take a look at why your even bothering to be involved in
activism of this or any type.

Neoconservative, Reagan republicans, libertarians and morons need not
apply

Dov
dov@neonleatherjesus.net

On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Malcolm Weir wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cadenas_sd
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:59 PM
>
> > > Your problem is that you don't understand the difference
> > >between the
> > > Canadian (and Australian and UK and most other places) litigation
> > > system and the US one.
> >
> > a) This has nothing to do with the topic AT ALL.
>
> Don't be silly. It's (part of) the root of the problem. If you could
> be
> bothered to try suggest a solution that protects BOTH the employer
> and the
> employee, in particular from things like hostile workplace lawsuits,
> your
> position might gain some traction -- although you'd still be stuck
> with
> trying to justify any adverse publicity and loss of business from
> retaining
> the employee...
>
> > b) This is a canard that corporatist ideologues keep
> > spreading. The reality is that such awards are exceedingly
> > rare, even in cases that involve extreme wrongdoing and
> > physical injuries. The first, and still one of the main,
> > cases in this area was the Ford Pinto, where people actually
> > died because the car's design was dangerous, AND Ford knew about it.
>
> Sorry, dude. The fact that the Canadian litigation landscape is
> radically
> different from ours is no "canard", it's the essence of the reason
> why you
> can't IN ALL FAIRNESS TO EVERYONE simply adopt the BC statute. Of
> course,
> you've demonstrated that you don't really care about _fairness_ to the
> employer, only the employee...
>
> [ Snip ]
>
> > Simple: most other countries (I don't know about Canada)
> > impose multimillion dollar fines for comparable wrongdoing.
> > The US simply chose to allow the injured individual to assess
> > this fine. Financially for the company, there is not much
> difference.
>
> LOL! If you think there's "not much difference" between fines
> assessed by a
> judge and jury awards, you need to get out more.
>
> > The claim that such lawsuits are a major issue is just a
> > canard by corporatists who want to escape any accountability
> > for their actions.
>
> To paraphrase, it's an issue you can't or won't address, so you'll
> pretend
> that it doesn't exist!
>
> For the fourth (I think) time, suggest a solution that would protect
> the
> interests of the employee and the employer!
>
> Malc.
>
>
>

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