Re: [BDSM-LegalIssues] Re: New book -- good but disturbing
The NCSF has different parameters for hiring and retaining personnel
than a religious organization. Most religious organizations would
discriminate against the San Diego Six for reasons concerning what these
organizations would consider moral turpitude. The Constitution does
give us freedom of religion. Therefore a Mormon organization can make a
ruling that only Mormons can be hired, and that they may be fired if
they do anything that conflicts with Mormon beliefs. That's why
religious organizations are exempt from most hiring laws. A religious
organization has different hiring constraints. If the organization has
a religious foundation, they can discriminate against anyone not of that
religion, and also anyone that has a questionable moral character
according to THEIR rules.
So, yes, the question is unfair on the face of it since her views of
what her employers do have nothing to do with her work for the NCSF.
Her work life does have nothing to do with the NCSF.
Domina
cadenas_sd wrote:
>
>
> Wow. I can only say, wow. I asked a question that is directly related
> to the NCSF, to the position she holds there, and you are saying that
> it's unfair? And given the supposed NCSF mission, you even defend
> discriminating specifically against the San Diego Six (which she so
> far has evaded answering)? Wow.
>
> Even if she did work for a religious organization (which, by the way,
> she didn't say - she said her company was owned by people of a
> religious minority), she earlier claimed that her work life had
> nothing to do with the NCSF. You can't have it both ways!
>
> My question stands.
>
> --- In BDSM-LegalIssues@
> <mailto:BDSM-
> <msdomina@..
> >
> > I can see where an arrest like that of the San Diego Six would render
> > them as being unfit to work in the religious organization where Leigha
> > works. I think such a question is extremely unfair to pose to her.
> >
> > Domina
> >
> > cadenas_sd wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BDSM-LegalIssues@
> <mailto:BDSM-
> > > <mailto:BDSM-
> <leigha@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good grief Jay.
> > > >
> > > > You have my permission to forward this thread (unclipped of course)
> > > to Susan Wright (who isn't a board member) and anyone else you
> > > > like on the NCSF board. Their email addresses can be found on our
> > > website.
> > > >
> > > > I've never indicated once that I was speaking for NCSF.
> > >
> > > I think there may be a way to resolve this. Let's take both your
> > > actual day job, and non-sexual crimes out of the equation. Let's also
> > > remove your employer's policies from the discussion. We can also agree
> > > that the actual legal situation permits this policy - Jay's (and my)
> > > issue is whether it is appropriate.
> > >
> > > What is left is you *defending* these policies. And that may have
> > > happened in the heat of the discussion.
> > >
> > > I'd like to reduce this to a few questions that I think extract all
> > > the relevant information.
> > >
> > > Leigha, can you state unequivocally "I believe it is inappropriate for
> > > employers to use any arrest for an allegation of a sexual offense to
> > > make personnel decisions before a trial has been completed?"
> > >
> > > Can you state unequivocally that you will work towards law changes
> > > that will outlaw using any arrest record for sexual offenses for
> > > personnel decisions?
> > >
> > > Can you state unequivocally, regardless of your employer's actual
> > > policies, that the NCSF, and you personally, believe that the arrest
> > > records for the following people should not be used for any personnel
> > > decisions:
> > >
> > > - The San Diego Six
> > > - Genarlow Wilson
> > > - Lawrence and Garner (of Lawrence v Texas)
> > >
> > > I certainly hope you can answer each of these questions with a single
> > > unqualified "Yes" - and if you do, my faith in the NCSF would be
> restored.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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