Tuesday, January 8, 2008

Re: [BDSM-LegalIssues] You did, didn't you, say the following, 'tongue in cheek', RIGHT? WAS: Re: New b

Travis,

I think I have to agree with you here. I have been on the fence for
most of this but I think I need to shy towards the smaller business
owner.

The reason I am turning this way is because my brother was in
business with someone who was arrested for something that will
destroy the reputation of the company, since the owner is the person
arrested, my brother broke was with him to avoid "guilt thru
association"... the Morality Clause I was talking about in my last
post.

I just found out abut this today...

Funny how when it is happening to someone else it is so easy to make
judgments against....

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On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Travis Wilson wrote:

> yup, exactly. Not the problem of the employers or the employees. If
> there is a problem, it is at the political level. If it is a "fire at
> will state", like my state of Texas, then all this thread is just
> pretty
> useless. If one does not like it, go to the state legislature. Don't
> bitch at the employees that carry out policy or the employers that
> make
> it. Bitch at the legislature.
>
> I seldom have my mind changed by internet debate, but I certainly have
> in this situation. And my opinion went from kind of on the fence to
> being much more in support of the right of the employer to fire under
> the circumstances discussed here.
>
> if folks want to provide a safety net in these circumstances, that
> should fall to the "nanny state" and not the employer. (I don't say
> "nanny state" with a negative connotation. Just expressing the idea
> that
> if we want, as a people, to guarantee that safety net, we should do it
> as a people and as a state, and not put that burden on small
> employers.
> And i would be perfectly ok with that rule if it became law of the
> land.
> I will gladly pay taxes to support it.)
>
> what i might be in favor of is a situation where folks that have a
> certain number of employees, say over 100 might be subject to specific
> rules. But for me, this discussion has put me in the corner of small
> employers rights to "fire at will".
>
> and yes, that includes their right to fire folks not just for arrests,
> but also simply because the employees make them or other employees
> uncomfortable, so long as they are not part of a privileged class.
> (race, religion, etc). If we want to make those arrested and not
> convicted part of a privileged class, lets vote on it and make it a
> state policy. If we want to make sexual preference a protected class,
> lets make that a policy of the state, and not just a demand some
> want to
> put on employers.
>
> that "state policy" might have a nice impact in that, if the state had
> to guarantee the income of the wrongly arrested individual, there
> might
> be a lot fewer wrongful arrests. I am not naive enough to believe that
> states would be willing to assume that position, so I don't agree with
> putting small employers in a position in which the state as a whole is
> not willing be placed.
>
> Travis
>
> . guilty^ wrote:
> >
> >
> > That doesn't change, of course, any of the juridical facts that
> you have
> > to deal with in the US. If it's "fire at will", it's fire at
> will, and
> > whether on likes that or not seems to me more a political
> question than
> > a legal one.
> >
> > Roel
> >
>
> --
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
> Hunter Thompson
>
>
>

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